Spotlight features 'The Karma Connection:
Traleg Rinpoche Looks For Answers In Our Tragedy'
the reprint of an Interview
given in New York City, by David Hershkovits, for the magazine Paper.
David
Hershkovits: I'd like to start by asking about your reaction to the events of
September 11.
The Venerable Traleg Rinpoche: It took me about two days to fully
appreciate the extent and gravity of what had really occurred. And then I felt
mixed emotions. Much of it had to do with sadness. It's not just the people who
actually lost their lives at the site, but so many other people's lives have been
altered. Their lives will never be the same. I also felt angry. Because I think
whatever grievances certain groups of people may have, terrorists or otherwise,
against another group of people - societies, countries, nations, states, races
even - they should not take the grievance out on innocent people. Because of that,
I did feel anger. Because it was so unnecessary. I really do not think carrying
out terrorists acts of this kind does any good for their cause. The means used
to bring attention to whatever cause it is that they're fighting for is totally
wrong.
DH: You come from Tibet, a country that, in many ways, has experienced
even greater devastation than what's happened in New York.
Traleg Rinpoche:
Yes, I think as a Tibetan Buddhist, one would have to say that we have to show
some kind of compassion toward the people who carried out this horrendous act.
Because they're acting out of ignorance. And if they knew any better, they wouldn't
be doing what they do. But at the same time, while showing compassion, one should
also be able to recognise where evil is. I think we have to be able to discriminate
and say that certain people are predisposed to wreak havoc, bring death and destruction,
because they want to have monopoly in terms of power. And what happened in Tibet
is also a symptom of that. China did not need to invade Tibet. China was already
a huge country - a massive country in terms of landmass, people, and resources.
So there was no need for China to invade Tibet, yet it did simply because it could.
DH:
Everyone in the world is affected by continuing fears of terrorism. Is there a
way to cope with these fears through meditation, prayer, or psychotherapy?
Traleg
Rinpoche: One has to combine all three. I'm not going to just sit around and do
nothing about it. I'm going to be active politically, and not just stand by and
let things unfold in front of me. But that in itself I don't think is sufficient.
When we are psychologically harmed, then we need to look at it in the context
of psychology and psychotherapy. And that is also not sufficient. We need to have
strength. And true strength comes from drawing real inspiration from the power
of the spiritual sources.
DH: Do you think anything good can come from these
terrible events? Do good things come from evil?
Traleg Rinpoche: Yes, I really
do. I think there's always a flip side to everything. I think we are already witnessing
that. In recent years - even though I'm not a U.S. resident, nonetheless I've
been coming here for how many years now - I've been observing signs of fragmentation
of the American society. But due to this tragedy, everyone has come together.
It doesn't matter what your political persuasion - conservative, liberal, Democrat,
Republican, Independent, Green. I think that's the positive outcome. Because of
this tragic event, the world as a whole may see terrorists in a totally different
light. If people's perception of terrorism and terrorist activities change, then
that means that at least for now, the world is going to be a safer place than
before.
DH: They will lose sympathy because the tactics are no longer acceptable.
Traleg
Rinpoche: Exactly. You see, I read many Pakistanis are sympathisers of the Taliban.
But there were Pakistanis working in the Twin Towers who also got blown to pieces.
So what I'm saying is that they do not discriminate. So that even the people who
may have sympathy for their causes may now fear for their lives because they themselves
could become victims.
DH: Is there such a thing as a just war in your teaching?
Traleg
Rinpoche: Yes. I think so. It is extremely important. It's worth fighting for.
Even in Buddhist teachings it is said that if a king is unjust and is not a good
ruler and is not looking after his subject, then that king should be overthrown.
And if that means taking on the king's army, whatever, then one should do that.
In a way, it's one's duty.
DH: Most people have never had an encounter with
this kind of evil.
Traleg Rinpoche: When I say evil, I don't mean it as some
kind of amorphous, abstract, cosmic force as some people believe evil to be. When
I say evil, what I mean is what Buddhists call the unwholesome attitudes and beliefs
- anger, violence, resentment, bitterness, jealousy, thirst for power, and selfishness.
These are the roots of all of our social, political conflicts. That's where they
arise, according to Buddhism. So evil is not an abstract thing. It has to do with
certain traits that are inherent in certain individuals. And those individuals
then start to influence others who may be naive, who may be gullible, and then
they buy into it. They become like their mentors, so to speak. If there is someone
who is full of hatred and malevolence and hostility - those kinds of characteristic
traits - then one has to recognise that and not think, oh, underneath all of that
there must be something good in that person.
DH: Do you feel that we have a
decadent culture?
Traleg Rinpoche: No, I don't think we have a decadent culture
at all. The decadent culture is the one where people have no freedom to be who
they want to be. That's the decadent culture. Down to your dress code, down to
dietary practices, everything is dictated by the powers that be. That is the decadent
culture as far as I'm concerned. So it's the opposite. People from all over the
world have migrated here. And they can still continue to preserve their culture
in pockets wherever they are in their own neighbourhood and communities. They
can actively encourage and propagate their culture and religion, and introduce
that to white Anglo-Saxon Americans. Now that is a sign of a civilised society,
showing so much tolerance. Not only just barely tolerating the diversity of races,
creeds, cultures, but allowing them to really actively engage in propagating their
own unique ethnic values and traditions. So I don't think America or the rest
of the western world is decadent. I hope that it'll continue to be this way. Because
as you know, many people lost their lives fighting for freedom.
DH: Are you
afraid now, more than before, for your personal safety - whether it's bioterrorism
or flying?
Traleg Rinpoche: Yes, I am. I am now.
DH: Some people say when
its my time to go, its my time. A sense of fate is fate.
Traleg Rinpoche: In
Buddhism, we believe in karma. But karma does not mean fate. With fate, your future
has already been pre-determined. And its like a railroad track. You just go in
a particular direction. There's not much room for manoeuvring. But karma is elastic.
One can, in fact, improve one's karmic lot. We have an inherited karmic lot, and
that's allotted to us. But what we do with that is up to us. Because otherwise,
as Buddhists say, there's no point in engaging spiritual practices, meditation,
self-cultivation, and to develop self-knowledge. It is said in teachings like
this, "What we have been when we look at our life now
." If we
want to know what we have been, we look at ourselves now. And if we want to know
what we are going to become, then again we look at ourselves now. What we think.
What we are doing. What sort of lifestyle do we have. What sort of person we are
becoming. That will determine what we will become in future. That's how karma
works.