If I'm Lucky They Call Me Unorthodox
interview with Vajra Master/filmmaker Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche
How is this film different than your last film, The Cup?
Rinpoche: In every aspect-scale, story, location. But I am afraid I have used
the same technique. I still haven't achieved the courage to do something different.
Some of your methods of teaching dharma are quite progressive ...
not at all. I am very traditional.
Well, your outward behavior is interpreted
as very modern.
I may not be fulfilling some people's expectations. If I am
lucky they only go so far as to call me "unorthodox"; if I am unlucky
they call me "wild and untamed."
So some people are surprised that
your method of filmmaking and your story telling are quite conventional.
I am not experienced yet, I dare not be too unconventional. I can't afford to
make a film that will flop-otherwise people won't give me money to make the next
film. But at times it occurs to me to do something different.
showing action in real time, for instance. Ohi Imamura's film Warm Water under
Red Bridge comes to mind.
Are there any filmmakers who you would like to study
or work with?
Ridley Scott, John Boorman and Abbas Kirostani.
were no object, what would be the dream project for you?
Life of the Buddha,
actually, with a Cinemascope. I would like to work with a crew of only Buddhists
who really put heart into it-not just their artistic talent, not just as work.
Working on a film brings with it a pretty grueling schedule. Did you manage
to keep up your own Buddhist practices?
Yes. It just meant I had one hour
less sleep than the others.
Sometimes on the road you'd be in the middle of
calling a shot and a nomad would come to prostrate at your feet. How was that
for you? Did you take any measures to conceal your Rinpoche-ness?
was happening in Bhutan, it came as very natural. I am sure some of the non-Buddhist
crew may have thought I was practicing tyranny, but I have to remember the Buddhist
practice of not caring what people think.
One of the non-Buddhist crewmembers
said he thought you were pretty groovy, but that your followers seemed kind of
nuts. He thought the reason they were following you was that they needed help.
Care to comment?
I would take it as a compliment. Because in Buddhism personalities
like myself are considered like a doctor and followers are like patients.
the difference between teaching and directing?
It all depends on the motivation.
I could be teaching dharma purely for worldly gain. In that case I might as well
ride in a limousine half-doped like some of the directors do.
In the film,
one of your characters has a series of experiences that may or may not be a dream-in
fact his whole storyline may not be real. Do you think we are responsible for
what we dream? Can we create karma in our sleep?
Of course. In fact this life
is a big sleep.
What does your father, Thinley Norbu Rinpoche, say about your
My father? I am sure he thinks it is a useless worldly pursuit,
ego boosting, everything that's not right. And I honestly believe he is right.
The title of the film is Travellers & Magicians. If you didn't have to
worry about marketing or posters, what would you title this film?
During A Sip Of Wine. That is the Bhutanese title.
Who would you like to see
come to the premiere?
Boy George. Or Michael Jackson. What do you think? I
love Boy George.
Why do you make films?
I make films because I love films.
But don't you do it for the money too?
First of all, I am not that keen
on making money. I still consider myself a yet uncorrupted artist. Besides, if
I want to make money, there are many other ways to do so. In fact, filmmaking
is very risky, especially the films that I have been making, where you have no
entertainment, no sex, no violence. If I really wanted to make money I would have
chosen to make Hollywood-even Bollywood-style-films, avoiding the agony of not
being accepted by festivals, not being liked by critics. Then it doesn't have
to be artistic, because as long it's entertaining, you make money. Having said
all that, in the future I might actually do commercial films because being artistic
and commercially successful can be quite challenging.
Are you putting spiritual
messages into your film? Is this a way of teaching dharma?
People say, "You
are a Buddhist lama, why do you make films?" This question is a bit puzzling.
It indicates to me that from certain standpoints this work is viewed as almost
sacrilegious-like I am breaking some kind of holy rule. At the same time, I understand.
People automatically associate film with money, sex and violence because there
are so many such films coming out of Hollywood and Bollywood. But if only they
had access to films by the likes of Ozu, Satyajit Ray, Antonioni, people would
understand that filmmaking doesn't have to be like that. In fact, it is a tool.
Film is a medium, and Buddhism is a science. You can be a scientist and you can
be a filmmaker, a salesperson and a politician at the same time.
So is this
proper behavior for a Rinpoche?
I have often heard that some people feel I
am Westernized, I guess partly because of my association with Westerners. But
I totally disagree. I may be slightly modern, this is true. But when it comes
to Buddhist teaching itself, I totally oppose people attempting to make Buddhism
more adaptable to the West or to the modern world. It is not required: Buddhism
has always been up to date. From the moment Buddha taught, the essence of the
teachings hasn't changed, and it shouldn't change. Anyone who tries to modernize
buddhadharma is making a grave mistake.
It's important to make a distinction
between the culture and Buddhism. As the wisdom of Buddha traveled to different
countries over different ages, the culture and tradition of each particular time
or place became intrinsic to the teaching. Culture is indispensable because without
it, there is no medium to convey the teachings. Dharma is the tea and culture
is the cup. For someone who wants to drink tea, tea is more important than the
cup. The cup is also necessary but it is not the most essential. Hence, you can
say that I am not attached to the cup. If necessary, I am ready to change the
cup, and for that reason you can say that I have a modern mind.
Will you ever
direct a film set in the West with Western actors?
Yes, if I have the opportunity.
Which of the Western actors do you like?
Alec Guinness and Anthony Hopkins.
Which Western actresses do you admire?
Kate Winslet, because she has the
most sexy hips.